Is it really Atheism?

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By ceciliabeltran

Zero is not not an absence, it is the starting point of all possibilities.
Zero is not not an absence, it is the starting point of all possibilities.


I just participated in two forums here in Hubpages and it gave me incredible insights on the kind of people who spend hours debunking the existence of Gd and invalidating religion.

Even as explanations are put forth that the bible is a compilation of myths written by many people over different periods of time. It is not enough, they continue to denounce it and everything that is Gd. Logic has already established that it is a piece of literature written by humans and yet they continue to chant its evils. This is about as productive as spending time calling Shakespearean sonnets as bad, bad, bad! There is something going on here that is more internal than it seems and I wince when a well meaning religious person makes a mistake of giving the atheist an excuse to vent his anger on his non-god.

Gd, according to the esoteric tradition, is an embodiment of the potential of man to master himself thereby mastering all forces present in his life. Whenever Gd is mentioned in the bible, it means in mystical terms, an aspect of that empowered Self.

So when the scriptures says "There is no god, but Gd" what its really saying is: The "I am" is the authority. This means,that the unbounded Self, free from past or future, becomes all powerful.

Religion came from ideologies presented by luminaries who have formed an empowering world view. Sometimes people get it, sometimes people don't.

The ideology of Judaism is ETHICS (action of goodness).
The ideology of Hinduism is BALANCE (acceptance of good and evil).
The ideology of Christianity is LOVE (ethics like you mean it).
The ideology of Buddhism is HARMONY (all is good).
The ideology of Islam is PIETY (goodness in action).
The ideology of Janism is ASCETISM (inaction is the ultimate goodness in action).

A person truly free from external ideologies does not need to spend time invalidating religion or Gd. He just acts like there is no authority nor positive force out there other than himself. So its up to him to take action, promote harmony, love what he loves, balance the forces in his own life and practice his own code of ethics that make him feel empowered and at peace.

People who spend time battling Gd externally is battling an inner self that is looming unacknowledged within them-- it is an angry godself, locked in the suffering of the past and is fearful of the future. This is a seed of the power he must face within him that requires him to be larger than his present conception of self. I find that atheism can sometimes be the first step to piecing together a fragmented self that was assaulted by external ideologies.It is a wasteland of a devastated world view. But like, Tohu and Bohu, the waste and the emptiness is the beginning of light, of a breakthrough. The mantra " There is no G_D" must continue to "...other than the "I am", (the aspect of self that exists unbounded by the past and the future) in order for atheism to graduate to true freedom from the external god of others.

The experience of wholeness does not have to pass through complete fragmentation. Sometimes a person just suddenly sees that he is not separate from his world and others after all. That feeling of wholeness can also come from the idea that We are THAT which we call Gd. Gd is the embodiment of our mastery. That whatever we do, we can do as Gd, as a powerful being unbounded by the past and the future, claiming authority to bestow good unto ourselves and others.

Some go through atheism for short periods, some become fragmented all their lives. Unless one's atheism grows into true accountability, it is just a shadow theism that has not been fully overcome. The strongest argument of atheists is this: "If there is a god, why is there suffering on this earth." An unfortunate question because the answer does not usually come. "Believers" usually have no answer to that because they grapple with that concept themselves. But what this question really means is this : "Gd, why are you letting me suffer, if you exist?Prove to me that you exist and end my suffering." The suffering is projected on to the external world. It is a cry to be saved because the idea is, that he needs to be saved. Why? because he does not know how he can save himself. The forces of the world are overwhelming him.

The thing is, he must realize that the world changes as he changes how he perceives the world. Physics has proven this truth at the level of energies. The breakthrough is, whatever you observe, changes it. The act of observation creates a chain of events that influences the behavior of energy.

The highest name of the Judeo-Christian Gd is YHVH, a name which is never spoken by the Jews. To Christians, it has come to mean "I am that am". But what does it really mean? In Hebrew the words are defined by their letters. Each letter used to be pictographs that communicate ideas as well as sounds. The pictographs that describe this highest name of Gd means : "I Behold, and lo!" -- whatever the self observes, becomes. It is never spoken because it is not a word but an act. The most powerful act of man is to observe within himself the power that he seeks.

So to end the suffering in this world,according to the mystics, be that who you seek Gd to be. That is the call of your internal godself. That angry punitive god you disdain is actually within you, seeking to destroy the idols that you've allowed others to build within your own soul.

As a student of the esoteric, the best way I can describe this journey is to quote the song from a Broadway play entitled Starlight Express:

Rusty the train: "Starlight Express, you must confess,are you real yes or no? Starlight express please answer me yes, i don't want you to go"

Starlight Express: "Only you have the power within you.Just believe in yourself the sea will part before you. Stop the rain and turn the tide...Only you, Rusty, I am You and only you!"

In the Upanishad period, this wisdom is found in one of the Veda's grand pronouncement:

"Tat Tvam Asi, You are that."

To cut the long story short, this is my message to the atheists :

You want something done, you've got to do it yourself! Wrap your logical brains around that.

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Tammy Lochmann profile image

Tammy Lochmann Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Wow I really enjoyed reading this. Thanks for making me think this morning.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for reading it Tammy! It is nice to know some other people ponder about such things as well.

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Obscurely Diverse 2 years ago

The "Yin Yang" theory would provide better harmony than this... Once you include the factors of "fear & control" that is often found within organized religions, it sort of de-mystifies its supposed intent or symbolism. Either way, it was a decent hub worthy of reading. ;)

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Well, Yin Yang would fall under the ideology of Buddhism. Fear and control is found in all organized groups because it is hardwired in our anatomy. These ideologies were created to transcend this human propensity.

As Kahlil Gibran says :

Of Freedom - "and if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed. For how can the tyrant rule the free and the proud, but for a tyranny in their own freedom and a shame in their own pride."

All things are neutral, it is we who colors things with our biases and intent. As for what is better, that too is a human propensity that is shaded by our biases and intent.

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Obscurely Diverse 2 years ago

The Chinese "Yin Yang" theories compared to Buddhism are in different relation from the original Taoist tradition...

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Tao is the same as Dharma which is the same as Keter, which is the same as the numbers emanating from zero. Tao is the way as defined by the backdrop of mystery. Yin Yang is the oriental version of the western Tsim Tsum, which means one revealed, one kept hidden--Light and Darkness, ones and zeros, the cosmic binary system. They are not different at all. The hidden exists to give visibility to the revealed.

Point being, difference is an illusion, just like better is an illusion. All things are neutral until we color them with the shade of our soul.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

But thanks for dropping by Obscure. I'll check out what's on yours too.

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

This is a very interesting and deep article. Thank you for publishing this piece.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for reading it!

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tonymac04 2 years ago

"Unless one's atheism grows into true accountability, it is just a shadow theism that has not been fully overcome." That is a key sentence in this Hub, at least for me. The point is that we all project parts of ourselves onto others, be it God or our enemies or our friends. Those parts of ourselves that we find it difficult to accept. Then we can blame the other for whatever is making us unhappy or ill or whatever. Unless we can accept those parts of ourselves back into ourselves again we will always be fragmented and uneasy. Part of that accepting back of those "unacceptable" parts of ourselves is taking accountability for who we are and what we do. When we can, as a wise person once said, stop saying "It got lost" and say "I lost it." That is adulthood, and wholeness. And it is a huge challenge!

Thanks for sharing this deep article, as James has said. It contains a lot of wisdom

Love and peace

Tony

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Tony,

Yes, like beauty finally loving the beast! I appreciate the mention of accountability, because that is really what this hub is about.Thank you for enriching the hub with your comment.

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Jewels Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Interestingly I have found time and time again that it is the atheists who do align to self empowerment and don't need to use the term God. Time and time again those saying they are 'religious' look to an external deity for their empowerment and do not apply mythical (biblical) teachings to their own lives. Herein lies the conundrum - who is the more 'spiritual'? It's a statement, not a question by the way. One can have major knowledge on religious topics, quote scriptures and understand traditions, but unless the teachings are applied personally at a feeling and transformational level, it is just intellect and not experience.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

I agree with this. It is the essence of the exercise rather than the label. There are many who court spirituality by being religious. Or wisdom by being knowledgeable. But both paths will lead to transcendence if that seeker is honest with what he seeks.

philip carey 61 2 years ago

Beautifully written. Religion is too universal to be so easily dismissed. For me, it's about meaning. The various religions are maps. Of course the map is not the road itself, but it points the way. Among other things, Atheism is a lack of humility in some way. If we assume that logical thinking only will reveal truth, then it makes sense. But the notion that logical reasoning is the only way to reveal truth is itself an assumption.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

I agree with you on many accounts. The map that you speak of is an instinctive knowledge of mind maps. There are truly such things as mind maps and religious doctrine, not religions perse encourage the creation of mind maps towards the frontal brain, the one that can perceive unity and the one that has foresight. But there are many kinds of mind maps. Sometimes people need to be Athiests in order to find themselves. The have to obliterate the imposed concept of G-d in order to find G-d, the one who dwells within him. Logic is sometimes a good way to achieve clarity. There are many maps to accountability and altruism, just like there are many paths to G-d.

Thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate it.

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OpinionDuck 2 years ago

ceciliabeltran

This is not personal, it is just a comment based on what I thought after reading this hub. It isn't even meant to change your belief, it is just my opinion.

There is just no real evidence to connect the Old Testament and or the New Testament to a Real God.

Putting down challenges to these documents shows insecurity of your belief in these documents.

If these documents were the truth, they could be questioned by anyone for any reason. Limiting or forbidding criticism of these documents is a direct contradiction to the belief of free will.

Like Shakespeare's words and those of Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama they can dazzle and seem real, but in the end they lose their luster and their meaning.

Good people don't treat people like the biblical God treats people. There is no way that people would take the bad deeds or sins of their parents and treat the children as if they committed these bad deeds.

The concept of original sin would never make it to a law in civilzed society, yet it is the basic foundation of Christianity.

Were Cain's children treated as murderers?

People today don't even have the same genetic DNA as Adam and Eve. The whole ooncept of creating Eve from the rib or Adam would at best have produced a clone of Adam. After that the only way to procreate was through incest, but somewhere along the way new DNA found its way into the incestous cycle.

Sure the bible has stories about why this was possible, but they are just stories.

Quoting chapter and verse from documents that haven't changed in at least two thousand years doesn't make it true.

Christ didn't convince the chosen people, the Jews, don't you find that troubling? The Jews are stil waiting for their prophet.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

The challenge is a literary tool to express an idea that man is and was intended to be the creator of his own destiny. It is being said by various religious texts which became religious because they were deemed to resound an internal truth that we recognize but cannot find words for. I will say it again. If you use logic to judge the validity of metaphorical language in the myths from which our religions sprang from, you will be wasting your time. It is like,as I have said before in a forum, demanding dreams to have logic. The myths are the language of our unconscious. It informs us of our true nature. But we have translate it into the culture and language that we are born it to make it useful to us. Atheism is not the end of athiesm. Atheism is a movement a way from theism but not to end in limbo, but to became a master of himself, and to do this he must recognize that he is part of a power that is larger than he can ever conceive in his logical mind.

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terced ojos 2 years ago

Hmmmmmmmm...

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

U-huh..

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terced ojos 2 years ago

Okay...Something like each peice is part of the whole.

Like um...all roads lead to Jesus. Something like that.

I am a Christian but I see the logic of what you've written.

Interesting.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

All roads leads to Christ principle yes. You can see it that way. Thank you for reading!

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OpinionDuck 2 years ago

What destiny can a fetus have that is terminated before it can survive?

What destiny can a baby have that will die before it can even talk?

What destiny can a young child have that will die before it reaches puberty?

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Opinion Duck,

Destiny is not an end, to live is destiny. Every being deserves the chance to live and to live as long as it can.

But reaching life is already a victory and a cause to celebrate.

I was fortunate to meet a person who knows a woman having mystical experience over a baby that was born only six months in her term. She was a drug addict. She was remorseful that her baby was not going to make it and blamed herself. A psychic nun was called by her family.

As they watched the baby struggle with her last breaths, the nun said "he wants to say, he feels the love" and then after the nun said it, the baby died.

I don't know if this story is true. But it stayed with me.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

erratum:

"His last breaths"

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secularist10 Level 5 Commenter 2 years ago

Very poetic article. I agree that atheism requires just as much blind faith as any religion, because there is no evidence for its claim. But beyond that, I fail to see why a neutral observer is compelled to accept one system of blind faith over another, or any system of blind faith at all.

It is all very poetic and romantic, and that doesn't diminish it at all. Imagination, fantasy, dreams, wonder--all of these things are essential and vital parts of the human experience. But they are what they are, not legitimate systems for a rigorous understanding of reality.

B.phillips 2 years ago

Thank you for stating these ideas so eloquently, you have hit upon a very deep concept of the nature of people. I really enjoyed reading this. Thank you for sharing.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi secularist10,

The premise that they are "not legitimate systems for a rigorous understanding of reality" presupposes that the basis for it was not borne out of 'legitimate systems of a rigorous understanding of reality'. Quite the contrary, the premise is based on a 'rigorous' study of mythology and depth psychology. It is a branch of psychology that recently developed as an offshoot of Jung's work. It is the study of consciousness. Nobody is compelled to do anything, really. I am just challenging readers to transcend their perception of chaos. To have a larger model of reality, one must explore past the limited conceptions of reality that based on the things you could sense with your senses. Reality passes through our senses in order to reach our mind. But we will not understand what we see if our model our reality is distorted by our own ignorance.

I truly appreciate your intellectual contribution to the hub. These things should be discussed in this wavelength as well.

Thanks for reading!

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

B.phillips,

Thank you for noticing it! It really is about that, isn't it?

When we reject something so much externally. It is because we are purging it from within. :)

selrach 2 years ago

Very thought provoking hub.

Because of problems in my live I have often questioned the existance of a god.But eventually came to realise that I needed to believe there was something more than me controlling my existance on this earth and to help me on my journey through life.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Selrach,

That something is ofcourse the expanded version of you outside your body. Thanks for sharing your thoughts as it enriched the meaning of this hub.

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mythbuster Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Very interesting concepts, ceciliabeltran. I'll be taking these things into consideration as I also read from the sources you've pointed out to me in correspondence. Man, there's so many perspectives...but I'm finding - there are also reasonable and unreasonable perspectives. I like how you offered, on this hub, ways for us to think about the intended focus for different religions ie: ""The ideology of Judaism is ETHICS (action of goodness).

The ideology of Hinduism is BALANCE (acceptance of good and evil).

The ideology of Christianity is LOVE (ethics like you mean it).

The ideology of Buddhism is HARMONY (all is good).

The ideology of Islam is PIETY (goodness in action).

The ideology of Janism is ASCETISM (inaction is the ultimate goodness in action).""

Thx again!

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Debarshi Dutta 2 years ago

I loved your article ceciliabeltran and I do not want to be taken by the eternal argument over the existence of God.

When we identify with God, we identify with a spiritual possibility and for the theist it is more easier than the atheist since the atheist is a sceptic and wont take the theist's word about God to develop faith, and character for a spiritual orientation.But needs to develop a spiritual orientation all the same.

The atheist must have an example or ideal otherwise it becomes quite difficult.

All theists have a claim to religious texts and scripture to develop faith and promote belief.

A true atheist has no right to religious text.

However it is wholly an abstraction.

Practically, it does not even matter.

Ethical behaviour and goodness is all that matter.

And today's world does not exemplify ethical behaviour or goodness, with so many god-believer's around.

We overpopulate the planet, destroy habitat of animals, wreck the environment of the planet, exploit natural resources and have put the ecological system of the planet in peril.

IF THERE IS A GOD THE FIRST THING HE WOULD DO IS - TEACH US A LESSON AND SAVE THE PLANET FROM OUR HANDS FOR THE REST OF THE SPECIES....he created and we made extinct.

So When GOOD Behaviour and Ethical action is impossible due to sheer weight of human population...GOD can only belong to every life form that is non-human since they are theones who are truly innocent.

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Anytime Mythbuster! Thanks for reading! :)

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ceciliabeltran Hub Author 2 years ago

Your passion for the planet is admirable and I am sure you are actually doing something about that yourself. It is true that ethical actions are sometimes enough to be part of the human community. But for the individual, he has to understand why so that he can perceive its nuances. Thanks for adding your comment to this hub as it is definitely worth reading.

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